The wire that transforms much of Manhattan into one big, symbolic home (2017)

by rmasonon 6/8/25, 8:22 PMwith 266 comments
by zaptremon 6/8/25, 11:52 PM

Google Maps zoomable map I found: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0...

I wonder why it seems to circumvent Hells Kitchen?

by UltraSaneon 6/9/25, 4:41 AM

I love how Orthodox Jews can't change any of their laws BUT they can and do change the definition of words to such an extent it accomplishes the same thing, such as changing eruv from meaning wall to wire.

by epcon 6/9/25, 1:51 AM

See http://eruv.nyc/#map for a more current map (circa 2023).

by pfdietzon 6/9/25, 4:50 AM

If and when there are space colonies, this will naturally generalize to the pressure boundary, even if the thing is a rotating cylinder 100 km long.

by FrustratedMonkyon 6/9/25, 12:48 PM

couldn't they hook up some kind of low voltage or resistance check to confirm continuity. instead of a visual inspection.

and

This is pretty crazy loop hole.

by neuroelectronon 6/9/25, 3:31 AM

Religious enclaves are part of American culture.

by FrustratedMonkyon 6/9/25, 12:46 PM

to keep out vampires?

by bravesoul2on 6/9/25, 6:44 AM

Why not make a tiny 10cm wire at the north pole to do the entire planet? And bless the oceans for unlimited holy water. Anyone who goes to the beach is baptised.

by foxwolfon 6/9/25, 5:44 AM

I'm pretty sure that if there is a god, then the act of deliberately subverting what you believe to be his laws by exploiting what you perceive to be a technicality for your own convenience isn't going to work out in your favor in the end.

by hn_user82179on 6/9/25, 12:01 AM

I'm not religious so I'll admit I don't "get it." It's a neat idea.

I'll admit, I especially don't get this part:

> The series of practically invisible wires becomes a necessity that “benefits the most vulnerable people of the community.” He sees it not only as a way for communities to come together, but also as a way for the more affluent to give back. The eruv is funded entirely by the Jewish community, with a considerable portion of that support coming from wealthy philanthropists.

Giving back to your community, sure. Benefiting the most vulnerable people of the community seems a bit much though. I feel like there are other ways that money could be spent.

All in all though, there are nonprofit religious organizations who spend an unreasonable amount of money on things that don't matter (private jets), so I'm not at all complaining about something that helps that communal feeling like this.

by RayVRon 6/8/25, 11:51 PM

“God hates this one weird trick…”

by Havocon 6/8/25, 11:51 PM

Two arbitrary rules that cancel each other out

You could just not but hey I guess no harm no foul

by focusgroup0on 6/9/25, 8:18 AM

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by xchipon 6/9/25, 12:06 PM

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by comrade1234on 6/9/25, 12:37 AM

There's one in Santa Monica too so that you can go to the beach. Yeah, I'm sure you tricked god...

by leonixyzon 6/9/25, 11:17 AM

IMHO this is an attempt to legally claim some rights over that land in the future

by Ekaroson 6/9/25, 8:29 AM

Do these wires apply castle doctrine? That is if you create a big one and then someone believing in their power enters you are free to defend what is inside?

by _xtbson 6/9/25, 12:52 AM

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by samuel_navion 6/9/25, 10:44 AM

Since people seem to be completely misunderstanding what the point of this is, or why it's even a problem in the first place, let's start with two simple definitions of what's going on:

1. In Jewish law, the definition of "work that is prohibited on the Sabbath" includes "moving objects outside the private domain".

2. The definition of "domain" has three kinds: "public domain" (such as a house), "private domain" (such as a highway), and "vineyard" (a catch-all term for "hard to define whether it's public or private").

Turns out, most of an average city in the world is "vineyard". The Eruv's function is to change the domain within it from "vineyard" to "private domain". That's it. No "fooling God", no loophole, just a simple way to create a legal status. Public domain remains public, private domain remains private, and now the grey area in between gets resolved. And there's a bonus of "there's a nice symbolism in the creation of a unified community boundary".