Is Planet Nine Alone in the Outer System?

by JPLeRouzicon 5/6/25, 5:29 PMwith 63 comments
by adrian_bon 5/6/25, 7:56 PM

The fact that many trans-Neptunian bodies have weird orbits is not a correct argument for the existence of an extra big planet beyond them in the present time.

It is only evidence that at some moment in the past there was something big out there, which has perturbed their orbits.

In 2024 there have been published a few papers which propose that a star has passed close to the Solar System in the past and its passage has caused all the unusual orbits that we see in the outer Solar System.

This seems more plausible than an undiscovered big planet.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-024-02349-x

https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2041-8213/ad63a6

by Qemon 5/6/25, 6:10 PM

> Brown argues that this object is not likely to be Planet Nine because its orbit would be far more tilted than what is predicted for the undiscovered world. In other words, a planet in this position would not have the observed effects on the Solar System. In fact, a planet in this orbit would make the calculated Planet Nine orbit itself unstable, which would eliminate Planet Nine altogether. Is there an entirely different planet out there? Future observations will have to sort this out.

There's also an alternative lesser known proposal for an undetected massive object in the outer solar system, by Lykawka and Mukai[1], ofter confounded with the planet nine hypothesis, but it is actually an independent proposal from the object predicted by Batygin and Brown. I wonder if despite not being compatible with the more known planet nine proposal, the recent finding may be compatible with the one from Lykawka et al, or it may even be the case that the former acts in tandem with the later, and we actually have two real objects making the work of the virtual single planet proposed by B&B.

[1] https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0004-6256/135/4/1...

by yellowappleon 5/7/25, 1:21 AM

The worst part of Pluto's demotion from "planet" to "dwarf planet" is the sheer disrespect toward what's arguably the most interesting planet that's not Earth.

The second-worst part is that we can't call this hypothetical trans-Plutonian planet "Planet X" anymore.

by rdtscon 5/6/25, 6:08 PM

Previous discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43874641

Link to the paper:https://arxiv.org/pdf/2504.17288

by glimsheon 5/7/25, 1:45 AM

Why do sites hijack scrolling? Reading this on my laptop is painful.

by xhrposton 5/6/25, 7:52 PM

> The authors say that the 570 megapixel Dark Energy Camera (DECam) may be useful for follow-up observations.

I was curious what kind of resolution you'd have at this distance but not sure I did the math right. The camera has a resolution of 0.27"/pixel[1] which is 0.000075 degrees. Then to get size at 500AU -> tan((pi/180) * 0.000075)(500 149597870700) ~98megameters, which is like 8 earth diameters. Is this right?

[1]: https://www.darkenergysurvey.org/the-des-project/instrument/...

by codethiefon 5/7/25, 12:47 PM

OP quotes a Science article that, in turn, quotes Mike Brown (who came up with Planet 9) but the article fails to provide a source, even though it's right here on the internet and quite the interesting read: https://bsky.app/profile/plutokiller.com/post/3lnqm2ymbd22r

by ArthurStackson 5/7/25, 11:29 AM

This group have been banging on about this for decades

by soufronon 5/7/25, 7:53 AM

It's "Earth in Upheaval" all over again.

What is the proposed timeline of the passing of that other star?

by WalterBrighton 5/7/25, 6:39 AM

I saw a documentary where Duck Dodgers found Planet X, I'm sure he could also find Planet 9.

by eth0upon 5/6/25, 7:26 PM

I'm going with little black hole

by hulituon 5/8/25, 9:48 PM

> Is Planet Nine Alone in the Outer System?

This reminds me of "lone rangers"

by cratermoonon 5/7/25, 12:13 AM

I thought we decided that Pluto was the largest of many trans-Neptunian objects.

by RajT88on 5/7/25, 3:06 AM

I hope when we finally catch a glimpse of it, it does not look like an 8 ball.

by p0w3n3don 5/8/25, 4:58 AM

Sounds to me like `Plan 9 From Outer Space`

by Hobadeeon 5/7/25, 3:17 AM

Planet 9 is Pluto!

Fight me!