About the ADHD part: I don't know whether I have ADHD but I do lose focus quickly once I figure out how to solve a problem, before doing any implementation -- after all the implementation, however long it could take, is boring and uninteresting comparing to figuring out how to implement.
So what if I get myself a Raspberry Pi 8GB and jumps into VSCode and VSCode only? Is it possible to make a VSCode "terminal" that only shows VSCode? OK let's make it more interesting: it also has network connection and the ChatGPT plugin for VSCode installed, so that I don't have to leave for another desktop to "find" something.
What do you think?
I routinely use Quest 3 with Immersed to do "focused" work by switching to specific environments that I associate with that. I can also co-work in a room of 5 - 10 other people who are also doing that which generates a little bit of impetus to focus as well.
I think if this becomes the only reason to keep the device, for sure explore some other options like Quest 3 and see if it's sufficient. It does a lot more things than a Vision Pro and costs so much less. It's pretty personal whether the resolution cuts it or you really need the quality of the Vision Pro or not, but it works for me.
Why every time a new technology comes out with crappy obvious limitations does somebody feel compelled to write a blog post trying to justify it as actually good? This is just somebody trying to talk themselves into keeping their $3,500 toy
> I'm currently typing this blog post in a floating window in the middle of snow-covered Yosemite. I am a floating body manifested into the transcendental Tim Cook matrix. I look into the sky and follow the soft clouds as they pass overhead. They slowly part, revealing Steve Jobs' smiling face watching over me from the heavens above. I am merely one more thing.
god damn; this is the most dystopian shit i've read in a while.
"real" outside isn't good enough to work in, so i'll pay $3500 to work in a fake outside in my own house and wear that headset while i'm in real outside to tailor this outside to my preferences.
interpreted another way: "real" outside is nice, but everything costs more money than i want to spend, so i'll spend $3500 once (or $1500 to buy the 1G headset) to create infinite "outsides" that i don't have to spend more money on
like, are we actually okay with this???
this might be me showing my age (late 30s) but i'm actually scared of this technology becoming mainstream and destroying whatever semblance of society we have left.
exmaple: why should people go to bars when they can just strap on a vision pro and put themselves in a bar that's perfect for them while drinking their own supply in their own home?
if that takes off, then anyone who actually likes going to real bars (me, for ex.) are basically forced into the virtual bars since real bars as a whole won't be economically viable anymore.
extended out further, walkable cities won't be necessary since everyone will be interacting through these kinds of headsets in their home, self-driving cars will be the only kinds of cars that are legal to drive, and most businesses would have moved into the metaverse since that's where the money is
i'm basically afraid of Ready Player One becoming real
Working from home has been pretty difficult for me as a person with ADHD, everything is just so distracting that I actually went from 3 monitors to 2 monitors to now only just the laptop screen so that way I can force myself to focus. I can't imagine being productive with Vision Pro and it's "infinite" screens and infinite browser tabs. It would be productivity hell for me.
Tho, I have been trying a few different techniques to get myself more focused such as deleting TikTok and forcing myself to keep my phone on Do Not Disturb., etc.
I've even recently built an desktop app around the techniques described in this other HN Post here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38274782 and using some techniques in Cal Newport's book "Deep Work" which has significantly helped me stay focused and get into a flow state much easier. I'm going to be launching this app soon in the App Store in the coming weeks. Would love to share my app with fellow HN'ers and get some feedback.
Email in my bio if any one wants to give it a try.
Im sitting in England unable to test this.
But I swear Im getting the vibe from preview videos that hand interactions with windows etc have what looks like a 100ms lag on them.
Can anyone confirm if there is lag when moving objects around in this thing?
Cos that would wear on any user fast.
( I hope it doesn't I'm really looking forward to this, Im just wondering if its as perfect interactionwise as iphones are )
I am not convinced. First let’s be clear that there is minor ADHD which is a world of focus issues and minor distractions, and then there is catastrophic ADHD which is like living through the movie Momento in a world where memories don’t stick.
I live in a household with catastrophic ADHD. I really have no idea what minor ADHD is like, but the last thing catastrophic ADHD needs is a gaming experience. A gaming experience is not going to cure the brain damage that causes people to require a minimum of 11 hours of sleep per day or misplace everything they own, including clothes, shoes, and wrist watches.
> This has an interesting effect. I feel less inclined to mindlessly open and use apps, because it has become a fundamentally mindful gesture to do so.
This is a really important point, but I don't think it requires $3500. Switching to an android phone and a portable split keyboard for most (non-programming) deep work resulted in a huge uplift in focus for me, and I really think it's because it made context switching more of a mindful, intentional act. These days I get way more focused writing done on planes/trains/cafes on 4 inches of screen than I think I've ever done on my instant-context-switch-keyboard-shortcut-for-everything tiling wm laptop.
With VisionPro I feel again like MBP M1 just came out. You definitely a very cool technology in front of you, but at the same time, you also see how many things aren't ready, and you always need to figure out hoops and various workarounds to make it to work. But with the time M1/M2/M3 improved soo much. I am keeping my Vision Pro not for the experience that we got right now (well, not only) but also for the one that I hope to experience with various app releases and updates. WWDC 2024 is coming, and I am sure there is going to be a huge VisionOS update.
This is something I am very curious about too. I’m kind of hopeful the fatigue and limitations imposed by Vision Pro will make my overall computer usage more intentional, similar to how wearing an Apple Watch and tossing my phone in my backpack made my overall phone usage when I’m outside more intentional. The Apple Watch is a pain to use for anything productive, and I appreciate that.
The biggest question will be if it’s too much of a pain that I don’t want to use it at all.
I can only imagine that over time this mindful clumsiness will give way to me feeling super bored and tweaked when I took off the device after I’ve become accustomed to YouTube videos and apps filling an otherwise empty ambiance around whatever I’m doing in normal space.
Talking about the mindfulness and friction of opening apps, resizing windows and interacting with buttons is a terrible foreshadowing. The famed and fabled Apple UX magic seems to have possibly jumped the shark. I recall no such awkward friction when interacting with the Meta Quest menus. Each UI action requires zen-like eye focus? Someone should have vetoed that on the drawing board.
Apple seems to have made some important advances in passthrough, hardware and hand tracking occlusion. It seems they are probably 3-5 years behind Meta on UX and ecosystem. Meta also appears to be more advanced when it comes to gesture tracking and currently your hands can serve as both pointers and clickers quite well.
Interesting observations. Like drugs, different technologies may trigger different excessive neurological reactions. It would be interesting to map that space.
Will the Vision Pro trigger derealisation in schizoid/borderline people?
> Putting myself in an "environment" also seems to have the effect of eliminating distractions from the outside world. I'm not glancing around at the stuff in my office every time I pause to think.
I found that reading glasses had a similar effect for me. It helped me focus on the book or paper I was looking at and made me less distracted by other people walking by. Of course, it's less useful at preventing computer-based distractions, since they're all at the same focal distance.
I cleaned the whole house today wearing my Apple Vision Pro. It’s a great dopamine delivery system; much easier way to have a YouTube video going while vacuuming than a phone propped up somewhere. Likewise in the laundry where there’s not enough space to put down a device. I’m not sure if it’s just the novelty halo effect that will dissipate, but it’s encouraging me to keep it past the 15 day return window.
(I’m an ADHD person and happy to have a gadget that’s helped me Do Things I Usually Avoid)
This is partly reminiscent of the oft-discussed broader lament (or advantage, if you prefer!) of the current state of the VR interface - the physical overheads, or baseload.
Coming to terms with, not just the new advantages brought by VR, but also the new constraints, the new annoyances and workarounds - especially prevalent at the cutting edge of tech, as we all know.
Won't it rather have the same effect a slow phone or laptop has, like driving you really mad at times? I think I might have that issue if everything is laggy, unless I'd like to sugarcoat a very expensive purchase of an otherwise "cool" device.
It's an interesting idea, but you can emulate this(lack of distractions) with some pretty simple configuration of your window manager, so it seems like a poor justification for buying a $3500 device in and of itself.
14 days seems like a ridiculously short trial period for a first generation device if Apple were really serious about this platform
I completely agree on the extra overhead for opening new windows, and this authors thoughts on the pass-through quality. For myself I don’t think I realized how much I just look around while I’m thinking or working on some thing else but the Apple Vision Pro makes that very obvious as things light up, expand, etc.
I never used the iPad is anything more than a consumption device and as things stand right now I’m not sure if the apple Vision Pro is going to be more than that for me either. I wrote about this in my first impressions blog post [0], but what I really wanted was to use the Apple Vision Pro as a replacement for my computer monitors, it’s just not there yet. I look forward to future revisions and I’m also on a 13 day countdown to decide if I want to keep this or not.
[0] https://joshstrange.com/2024/02/03/apple-vision-pro-first-im...